Sunday, November 8, 2015

Thoughts on LDS church's new policies

D. Todd Christofferson explains LDS church's new policies
As you may have heard (especially if you keep up with current events in Mormonism), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints recently enacted new policies related to people in homosexual relationships. 

Essentially, 1) it now defines being in a homosexual relationship as apostasy (click here for more information) and 2) children of homosexual parents may not be baptized until: a) they are of legal age b) they no longer live with the parents c) they disavow the practice of homosexual relationships. Even after meeting those requirements, the mission or stake president still has to request approval from the First Presidency (the top governing body of the LDS church comprised of 3 men; click here for more information).

A day after this news broke out, the LDS church released video of an interview with apostle D. Todd Christofferson. It doesn’t answer every question, but at least it provides "authoritative commentary," in the words of one Facebook user. He confirmed what many were suspecting, that the Church views homosexual relationships as analogous to polygamous marriage, and that this policy is meant to ease the burden on the children and their families.

The whole time, my Facebook newsfeed was lit up with opinions coming from people on both sides of the issue.

I wanted to hold my peace until a statement from the Church came out. Plus, I needed time to formulate my own opinion. At first my feelings were too nebulous and ambiguous to write down. 

Now that I’ve had time to organize my thoughts, here are my two and a half cents on the controversial new policies that the LDS Church has enacted. I don't pretend to be authoritative, nor that I can provide a satisfactory perspective. I don't attempt to answer to all possible objections. I'm just throwing out some ideas from the perspective of a “TBM” (true believing Mormon).

To my friends in the LGBT community: I'm sorry. This must feel like a slap in the face. I'm not going to try to "mansplain" (or whatever would be the equivalent of an ignorant straight guy talking down and "explaining" something to a gay person). Know that many of us devout Latter-day Saints are as troubled by it as you must be. I don’t like it (there are other policies I dislike, or at least that I don’t understand).

Initially, I was troubled by it even more than the Boy Scout statement (you can read my reaction here). It would appear I'm not the only one troubled by this. Lots of people (myself included) who love the Church and believe in the gospel are hurt and confused. The thing that kept running through my mind (and still is to a certain extent) is “Why?”

I’m not sure, but perhaps there were people wondering if the Church would eventually perform gay marriages, especially now that gay marriage is legal? Did the Church want it perfectly clear where they stood (even though there probably weren’t many who doubted it)?  

For one thing, this goes to show the delicate balance the Church has to play, since it has a fundamental difference of opinion with the rest of the world. With such a touchy issue, it's difficult to please everybody. As long as the Church teaches that homosexual relationships are a sin, it will be walking on egg shells no matter what.

On an individual level, it shows just how tricky it is to keep one's feet in both worlds. In the words of Neal A. Maxwell, “Make no mistake about it, brothers and sisters; in the months and years ahead, events will require of each member that he or she decide whether or not he or she will follow the First Presidency. Members will find it more difficult to halt longer between two opinions” (click here for the full text of the speech).

I’m troubled by some of the reactions from both sides. Many of my faithful Latter-day Saints may not recognize how painful this new policy must be.  Some have even said it doesn’t affect most people in the Church. That may be true, but that doesn’t make it less troubling (imagine saying the same thing for the former ban on blacks receiving the priesthood).

And I’m troubled by the people who paint these new policies in the worst light possible, with no benefit of the doubt given (although I’m not really surprised at such people’s reaction).

When it comes to LGBT relations, the LDS church seems to go back and forth between things that the public views as positive and negative. But even the negative incidents have a positive side to them.

Positive:

- Sponsoring gay rights legislation in Utah which prohibits discrimination in housing and employment based on sexual orientation (click here for more information).

- Apostle Dallin H. Oaks frowning on Kim Davis’ refusal to perform her duties as a government employee (he didn’t mention her by name, but it was clear that he was talking about her) (click here for more information).

Negative:

- Frowning on allowing gay men to be Scout masters. The Church ultimately decided to stay with the BSA, so that's got to be at least somewhat positive as far as LGBT relations.

- Officially being opposed to legalizing gay marriage (including its involvement with California’s prop 8), right up until the US Supreme Court decision legalizing it. But after prop 8, the Church didn't urge Church-wide involvement in passing related legislation, nor did it recommend which way to vote, so that should also be a plus. Also, Christofferson (the same person from the video cited above) told church members it was okay to support gay marriage, despite the Church’s opposition to it.

- Most recent statements defining apostasy, and regarding children whose parents are in a gay relationship. An LDS woman who was raised by lesbian parents expressed her opinion of the wisdom of this policy in this articleAt least children of gay parents (heck, even the parents themselves) will still be allowed to associate with the church and even be “dry Mormons” (a person who is so involved with the Church that it’s easy to forget that they’re technically not baptized).

I often encountered “dry Mormons” on my mission. There were several investigators (a term we use for people looking into the Church) who adored the Church and participated in as many
activities as possible, but they couldn’t get baptized for one reason or another. 

The most common situation I encountered was that they were legally married to someone in a different country but were co-habitating with someone else here in the states. Getting a divorce from that foreign country and then getting legally married in this country often was complicated.

The ones who wanted to make it happen made it happen. But even then, it could be time-consuming.

Another common situation was a child whose parents didn’t approve of them getting baptized.  As long as the child is a minor, Church policy dictates respecting the wishes of the parents in that regard.

It was often a huge disappointment to me as a missionary because I loved these people and it was exciting to finally have investigators who *wanted* to be baptized, but weren’t allowed to because of a technicality with Church policy. That was even more discouraging to me than people who weren’t interested.

One way I consoled myself is that living out one’s faith almost always has obstacles to overcome, and as long as one has the desire and the trust in the Lord, the Lord will provide.

Another way I consoled myself was reminding myself that the Savior didn’t withhold love from those people for being unable to be baptized at the time. And I myself certainly didn’t stop loving investigators in those situations. 

Further, I know for a fact that the Savior doesn’t withhold love from children under the age of 8 (the minimum age for baptism into the LDS church).

I imagine the missionaries will encounter similar conundrums with this new policy. In that vein, I came across a thoughtful article (by a gay Mormon, no less) about people he met who had to obtain special permission before being baptized (such as being children of polygamous families or from fundamentalist Muslim countries):

"Whatever the reason, God himself understands all personal situations, blesses His children, and always charts the path they will need to follow to find baptism. In His eyes, life is just a speck in time. And an blessing we have to work or wait for, He will give us a hundredfold."

I’m reminded of a saying in the Church: doctrines don’t change but policies do. I think that’s relevant here, but I would modify that saying: the truth doesn’t change but our understanding of it (i.e. doctrine) and Church policies do change. I say that because of the many doctrines the Church used to teach but either downplays or disavows now, hence the need for continuing revelation from a living prophet (but that’s a discussion for a different day). This article on Patheos (written by the husband of a friend of mine) has some good thoughts related to that subject.

My point is this: these policies, as they are written right now, won't last forever. If they don't get eliminated entirely, they'll at least have to be modified to make exceptions that accommodate certain scenarios.

Perhaps it's a matter of perspective: if you view it as cutting off children of gays from the community of Saints, or punishing the children for their parents’ choices (as I initially thought), it would seem cruel. If you view it as relieving the family (parents and children alike) of the burden of having a child join (make a covenant with God through) a church that teaches that their parents' lifestyle is a sin, that might seem merciful.

My first thought was “How is that any different from children whose parents are co-habitating?” (I baptized several children on my mission who were in that situation). I think it goes back to how the Church views those relationships: a co-habitating heterosexual couple is not apostate, but a homosexual relationship is. Why is a homosexual relationship considered apostate? Not sure exactly why (in fact, I am not sure I completely understand the broader question of why homosexual relationships are sinful), but Elder Christofferson said, in that regard, there is a parallel to polygamy. 

If the Church didn’t view homosexual relationships as apostasy, then the policy regarding children of parents in homosexual relationships probably wouldn’t be in place. If homosexual acts in general weren’t considered a sin by the Church, there would certainly be less tension between the Church and the outside world, and fewer struggles from within.

I think it’s interesting to note:

Mormon church’s history of polygamy outrages people of a more conservative view on marriage (although I think it's a little unfair how critics are unwilling to credit the Church for moving past it and even making it a sin that is an excommunicable offense).
Mormon church’s history against same-sex marriage outrages people of a more liberal view on marriage.

As I said, the Church often has to walk a tight rope, since it is so different from the rest of the world. It’s impossible to please everybody.

I’ve often heard the paradoxical observation that religions that flow with the current of popular thought tend to lose committed followers. That reminds me of this article (completely unrelated to Mormonism or homosexuality) where the author expresses disillusionment with religions that try too hard to be cool and that ignore the substance of Christian worship.

It would appear there's something to be said for religions that require difficult, painful things that outsiders (and even insiders) might object to. Joseph Smith said, “A religion that does not require the sacrifice of all things never has power sufficient to produce the faith necessary unto life and salvation” (Lectures on Faith, p. 69).

At the end of the day, I am confident that, as Brigham Young said, God is at the helm of the Old Ship Zion. In his sermon entitled “God Is at the Helm” apostle M. Russell Ballard stated:

"Too many people think Church leaders and members should be perfect or nearly perfect. They forget that the Lord’s grace is sufficient to accomplish His work through mortals. Our leaders have the best intentions, but sometimes we make mistakes. This is not unique to Church relationships, as the same thing occurs in our relationships among friends, neighbors, and workplace associates and even between spouses and in families.

"God’s plan is in place. He is at the helm, and His great and powerful ship flows toward salvation and exaltation. Remember that we cannot get there by jumping out of the boat and trying to swim there by ourselves…

"Let us be grateful for the beautiful Old Ship Zion, for without it we are cast adrift, alone and powerless, swept along without rudder or oar, swirling with the strong currents of the adversary’s wind and waves.

"Hold tight, brothers and sisters, and sail on within the glorious ship, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and we will reach our eternal destination."

Here are my final thoughts. And these go for everybody regardless of your opinion on these new policies.

Jesus loved everyone. I’ve noticed people on all sides of this debate get into a contest over who’s the better person. In the ongoing verbal war between believers and non-believers, supporters and opponents of gay marriage, let’s remember the more important part: being kind to our neighbor. Further, actually helping people who are in need, instead of bragging about how right you think you are or putting down those you think are wrong.

The gospel isn’t about proving that you’re right and that your opponents are wrong (that’s why missionaries are discouraged from “Bible bashing”). It’s about helping people who need help.

Even though Jesus was a skilled debater, I don’t imagine him saying, “Ha! In your face! I win!” Nor did he ever say, “I’m more compassionate than you” (even though he most certainly was the most compassionate person in the history of world).

Rather, he said just the right thing to pierce the soul in order to motivate the listener to change their life for the better.

So here are some ideas regardless of your view on homosexuality or the Mormon church: 

Participate in a gay pride parade. 
Speak kind words to someone who feels unaccepted because of their sexual orientation. 

I know that's not much, but it's a start. Let’s both reach out in love to our brothers and sisters, without turning it into a competition over who is more caring.

The Savior's love is unconditional, regardless of religious status.

P.S. I want to point out that right now, the Church is urging its members to help refugees (definitely a positive, in my opinion). I add my voice to theirs: please help the refugees, including donating money for their aid (whether through the Church or some other charitable organization).

In my opinion, helping with the refugee crisis is more important than one’s stance on the Church’s policy.


Monday, October 12, 2015

Race, ethnicity, and the 3 new apostles

The 3 men called as new apostles: Rasband, Stevenson, and Renlund
As you may have heard, the LDS church recently called 3 men to be apostles: Elder Ronald A. Rasband, Elder Gary E. Stevenson and Elder Dale G. Renlund (here is the announcement).

Like many people, I was expecting at least one non-white, non-Utahn, (maybe even under the age of 50). After all, since there were 3 vacancies at once (which I’m told hasn’t happened since 1906), the odds seemed pretty good.

It turns out they were all white Utahns (in their 60s).

This left me wondering: Why?

After all, there are many brethren among the quorums of the 70 (which are a big deal after the Quorum of the 12) who are from Latin America, Africa, Asia, etc. As President Gordon B. Hinckley said in April 2005, “I am convinced that there are literally hundreds of brethren worthy and capable to serve as general officers of the Church. We see them everywhere. Those sustained today have been chosen to fill particular responsibilities. In most cases, this will involve sacrifice, which will be willingly made.” (I will refer to this quotation later). I’ve even had the chance to meet one from Mexico and one from Guatemala.

To be honest, I’m not entirely sure why men from other races or ethnicities weren’t chosen. But I’d like to offer my two and a half cents on some of the factors.

Did the brethren consider race or ethnicity when deciding who to call as new apostles? Possibly. Although I’m sure that, if they did take that into consideration, it would have been secondary, because if you focus primarily on a person’s skin color or country of origin, it would be easy to lose sight of the bigger question: Who does the Lord want us to call at this time?

Further, I’m convinced that each calling is a combination of spiritual means (i.e. revelation) and non-spiritual means. For example, I’m sure social networking was a factor.

Looking back through the history of the LDS Church, there’s no question that social networking was part of who was assigned to important leadership positions. Joseph Smith chose his father Joseph Smith Sr. to be patriarch and his brother Hyrum Smith to be an apostle. His close friends Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris were chosen to participate in translating the Book of Mormon, publishing it, and were called to be apostles. Church presidents Joseph F. Smith and Joseph Fielding Smith were Hyrum Smith’s son and grandson, respectively (making them Joseph Smith’s nephew and great nephew).

This reminds me of an amusing quotation by J. Golden Kimball (the seventy that was famous for cursing): “Some people say a person receives a position in this church through revelation, and others say they get it through inspiration, but I say they get it through relation. If I hadn't been related to Heber C. Kimball [his father] I wouldn't have been a damn thing in this church.”

Even with the social networking aspect, there’s still consideration of spiritual qualifications. For example, Smith’s close friends Cowdery and Harris were excommunicated for apostasy.

This statement from President Hinckley in April 2005, (from the same talk I referenced earlier), is fitting. This was when his son Richard G. Hinckley was sustained as a Seventy:

“Among those sustained, as you have noted, is my 63-year-old son. I make it clear that I did not advance his name. That was done by others whose right it was to do so. I feel extremely sensitive about the matter of nepotism. As the lawyers say, I recused myself from participating. However, I believe he is worthy and qualified in every respect. In the first place, he had a great and wonderful mother. I wish I could recommend his father.

“I mention this only because of my sensitivity concerning the matter of nepotism. Please do not hold it against him for his relationship to me. He’s powerless to help it.”

So it would seem that there was an aspect of social networking (i.e. people knew who Richard was because he was the son of the prophet), but his spiritual qualifications for the position were still considered.

Ever since the Mormons settled the Salt Lake Valley in 1847, it’s no wonder that most of the main leadership of the Church has been drawn from Utah. To this day, Utah is the place with the highest concentration of Mormons, so it’s no wonder that many of the leadership (including the 3 new apostles) continues to come from Utah. But things are changing, because nowadays most Mormons live outside the US and/or don’t speak English as their first language.

Having said that, it’s worth noting that even these new apostles from Utah have more to them than meets the eye. 

For example, this article (written by a relative of Elder Renlund), pointed out that that even though Elder Renlund was born in Utah, “Dale was born to full Scandinavian immigrants who spoke no English when they first came to the U.S. in 1948/1950.  All four children, including Dale, spoke Swedish as their first language…

“The entire family moved back to Scandinavia when Dale was about 10 to 13ish, where they spent time in Helsinki, Finland and Gothenbirg, Sweden. They were fully immersed in Swedish culture there and went to Swedish speaking public schools.”

This article criticized that post for saying that background counts as “diversity.” My opinion is that even though he may not technically qualify as racially or ethnically diverse, it’s important to remember that he didn’t have the typical “homegrown” experience of living in the “bubble” of Utah.

Which brings me to another observation: even among the currently all-white apostles, there are several who aren’t exactly “typical Utah Mormons”

  • President Dieter F. Uchtdorf. That goes without saying, but it’s worth remembering our favorite German apostle. He had an interesting upbringing living in post-World War II Germany. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_F._Uchtdorf
  • President Henry B. Eyring was born in New Jersey and lived there until he was a teenager. (source)
  • Elder David A. Bednar was born in Oakland, California. Note: his dad wasn’t baptized into the LDS church until David was an adult. (source)
  • Elder Neil L. Anderson was born in Utah but raised in Idaho. Many might discount that because Idaho is geographically close, and culturally similar, to Utah. (source)

It’s also worth noting that other important leadership bodies are becoming increasingly diverse

Bishop Gerard Causse
Elder Gerrit W. Gong
  • For example, the new presiding bishop, Gerard Causse, is from France (he took elder Stevenson’s place). (source)
  • The new member of the presidency of the Seventy, Elder Gerrit W. Gong (he took Elder Ronald G. Rasband’s place), is ethnically Chinese, and was born and raised in California. (source)

In the future, will there be an apostle who is non-white and/or non-Utahn? I think it will happen eventually. For now, I am excited to get better acquainted with the new apostles and see what they contribute to the work of the Lord.

Saturday, August 29, 2015

Appointment of Women to Leadership Councils

A few days ago, the LDS church announced that three women will be appointed to “priesthood leadership councils within the Church” (here is the official Church press release; further information from ksl). This is significant because these councils were comprised exclusively of men in the past.

I'm loving this change. Bonnie L. Oscarson, Linda K. Burton, and Rosemary M. Wixom are good women that will make valuable contributions to the Church.

Unfortunately I can already imagine how the critics will respond. Instead of celebrating, many of them will still be unhappy. Sarcastically they'll say things like "took them long enough.” Or "this is just a hollow PR move.” Kate Kelly gloated on her Facebook page.

And I'm sure some will clamor for further changes, complaining this is not enough.

In some people's minds, if the Church refuses to do what they want, then the Church is stubborn and behind the times. But if the Church happens to do what the critics want, they think it's because they cowered to pressure. Lose-lose.

Critics like to think they have more sway over the Church than they actually have. I'm sure  many of them would like to think they single-handedly wielded power or exerted influence. The Church is aware of them, but the truth is there are millions of critics, countless voices thinking they know better.  For one thing, it's just not feasible to implement every last hint or suggestion (whether critical or supportive).

For another thing, it's possible that this decision was in the works already before the critics knew about it, or that there are other factors within the Church, not outside it (like the surge in sister missionaries) that contributed to it.

It's important to remember that the Church will NEVER satisfy its critics; not all of them, anyway. The opposition will always be there. Somebody will always be displeased.

What's important for anyone (whether a critic or supporter of the Church) to remember is the brethren prayed and pondered about it, weighing in other factors that aren't publicly known right now. The critics may have played a part, but ultimately this decision happened through prayer and revelation.

So let's not let the criticism of the haters get to us (I need to take my own advice in that regard).

I, for one, am grateful for this new change. The critics don't run the Church. The Lord does, through inspired men and women.

I've heard this is what they've been doing for all intents and purposes anyway, and they've just barely made it official. Admittedly, I don't have a source for that, but something to think about.

Is it possible that groups like Ordain Women played a part in the process? Maybe, maybe not. I'm not going to say they were irrelevant in the matter, but I'm also not going to say it was entirely because of them.

After all, who's to say there weren't men and women in Church headquarters who were asking for it, discussing it, and considering it? Perhaps the push was also internal and not merely external. Remember, there were leaders of the Church in Salt Lake who seriously considered the question of blacks having the priesthood and some yearned to let them have it, years before the revelation took place, so it wasn't merely external (that’s a discussion for another blog post).

One question that’s been bounced around is: Is ordination of women to the priesthood on the horizon? Possibly, but I don’t think it’ll happen anytime soon.

As I stated in this blog post, I disagree with Ordain Women, but I would wholeheartedly support the ordination of women to the priesthood, while at the same time sustaining the brethren and their decisions as leaders of the Church. I know there are many wonderful women capable of leading as bishops, stake presidents, mission presidents, etc. In fact, it’s been said that if women had the priesthood, they’d be so efficient that the men would have nothing left to do. Whether or not that's true, it's certain the women would do a terrific job.
At the end of the day, this is good news and I look forward to further developments. 

Thursday, July 30, 2015

The LDS Church and the Boy Scouts

UPDATE: The LDS Church is going to stick with the Boy Scouts. Here is the press release announcing it. Further info from ksl.


Good. I'm glad. 


I can understand some of the reasons that some people were hoping they would split (such as the high financial cost of participating). The LDS Church is probably aware of that, which is why the Church is still evaluating other options. Hence why they stated in their press release: "The Church will continue to evaluate and refine program options that better meet its global needs."

As you’ve probably heard, the Boy Scouts recently voted to allow openly gay men to be scoutmasters. The LDS Church released a response to that decision. 

I originally was confused and offended by the Church’s statement, so I totally understand why other people are upset by it too. But after considering it with an open mind (instead of going with my knee-jerk reaction), I think I understand now.

This is my two and a half cents:

I am personally not bothered by the BSA's decision to allow gay men to be scout masters. I know that gay men aren't any more likely to be pedophiles than straight men and I think they can contribute well to the Boy Scouts' mission.

But I also understand the Church's reaction. 

The BSA's decision means that it now it expresses approval (at least implicitly) of being in homosexual relationships (and I think that’s what’s understood by “openly gay” here, and not just having same-sex attraction). For a Church that teaches that homosexual relationships are sinful, that decision indeed goes against Church doctrine, and goes against what the BSA has taught until recently. 

I can also see why the Church is upset about its schedule request (presumably to have more of its leadership weigh in) being ignored, especially since it's so heavily involved in the BSA and is the BSA’s largest single sponsor.

I think it's a toss-up whether the Church will officially stick with the BSA. It has the resources to create its own scouting-like program, and that would have many benefits, which includes running the program the way the Church sees fit. The BSA has a lot of internal politics (not just about this issue) that can muddy the waters for Church involvement. If the Church wants to be able to ensure that it can have scouting run 100% in accordance with its goals and philosophies, then splitting with the BSA and doing its own thing is its best bet.

"I'll always have a place in my heart for the BSA."
Regardless of the Church's decision, I'll always have a place in my heart for the BSA and remain involved somehow, even if the church officially withdraws from it. Once a scout, always a scout.

That’s essentially my reaction. If you’re interested in reading my additional thoughts, continue reading. 

I’ve dissected the Church’s statement below (the original statement is available here).

“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is deeply troubled by today’s vote by the Boy Scouts of America National Executive Board.” 

My initial reaction was “Why? Gays aren't necessarily pedophiles.” 

But some synonyms for “troubled” include concerned, worried, uneasy (not necessarily angry). I think some people are imagining that the Church is going on a homophobic tirade (like this lady after the Supreme Court ruling). But I don’t think that’s what the Church is doing. I think they are “troubled” about such a fundamental change in the Boy Scout policy without sufficient regard to the voice of the Church, and how it bodes for future policies the BSA will consider for church-sponsored troops.

“In spite of a request to delay the vote, it was scheduled at a time in July when members of the Church’s governing councils are out of their offices and do not meet.” 

The Church and the Boy Scouts have been like peas in a pod for over 100 years. The Church is heavily involved and is the BSA’s largest single sponsor. The BSA had good reason to respect the Church’s schedule request.

“When the leadership of the Church resumes its regular schedule of meetings in August, the century-long association with Scouting will need to be examined. The Church has always welcomed all boys to its Scouting units regardless of sexual orientation.” 

My initial reaction was “Even before the lift on the ban against gay scouts?” Apparently, the answer  is yes, according to this press release. That seems consistent with the “having same-sex attraction is not bad but homosexual relationships are” stance. I can’t find anything that says in writing what the specific policy was for Boy Scouts who had same sex attraction.

As far as I can tell, it booted you out if you were in a gay relationship, and that stood before and after that particular policy change. I know there’s debate about what the  Church’s policy actually was (and its fairness) before then. But the Church reacted 
positively to the BSA policy change of allowing gay boys to participate in scouts, so I think that should count for something.

“However, the admission of openly gay leaders is inconsistent with the doctrines of the Church and what have traditionally been the values of the Boy Scouts of America.”

My initial reaction was “But Church doctrine doesn't say anything about gay men not being scout leaders.” And that’s true, nothing in our doctrines would specifically say gay men can’t be scout leaders. However, the LDS church does teach that homosexual relationships are a sin. And I think that’s the issue for the Church. As I said above, the BSA's decision means that it now it endorses (at least implicitly) being in homosexual relationships (and I think that’s what’s understood by “openly gay” here, and not just having same-sex attraction). That decision indeed goes against Church doctrine, and it indeed goes against what the BSA has taught until recently.

“As a global organization with members in 170 countries, the Church has long been evaluating the limitations that fully one-half of its youth face where Scouting is not available.”

I admit, that’s kind of vague, so I wonder what solutions they're thinking of. 

“Those worldwide needs combined with this vote by the BSA National Executive Board will be carefully reviewed by the leaders of the Church in the weeks ahead.” 

I'm interested in hearing their decision.

One question I asked was “What's the big deal? The Church will still be allowed to restrict gay men from being scout masters in their local, sponsored troops.” I’m not entirely sure, but I do know this is one of the reasons why it’s possible that the Church may end up sticking with the BSA.

I do like the idea of the Church switching to its own Scouting-like program, Duty to God. It's been in the works for several years. I think it was wise for the Church to prepare itself that way. The Church has been doing the Young Women program for even longer, which is a terrific program. That's what the church will have to do if it wants scouting the way it wants it. The BSA and the LDS church simply aren't the same organization, so it's natural that their goals and approaches aren't always the same.

I think it was smart for the Church to embrace scouting, especially a hundred years ago when the Church was much smaller and probably didn't have the resources for its own program like that. Now it's big enough to do its own thing if it wants.

One drawback to withdrawing is that I think it might limit opportunities for young men to interact with people of other faiths and share their beliefs. But maybe the Duty to God program would find a way to make that happen anyway.

My initial impression from the Church was that they weren’t allowed to say their piece. The Church statement didn’t indicate exactly how much of the leadership was out of office. But, according to ksl.com, the Church did have a chance to participate, even if it wasn’t as much as it liked:

"Hawkins told KSL on Monday that church leaders Elder Jeffrey R. Holland, of the church's Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, General Young Men's President Stephen Owen and General Primary President Rosemary Wixom, all of whom belong to the BSA National Board, voted against the new policy."

Here’s another factor in the concern: it seems that the LDS church is concerned that Boy Scouts may cave to further political pressure and require religiously sponsored troops to allow scoutmasters who are in gay relationships:

“The Human Rights Campaign, a national LGBT-rights organization, said the Boy Scouts should not allow church-sponsored units to continue excluding gays.

“‘Discrimination should have no place in the Boy Scouts, period,’ said the HRC's president, Chad Griffin. ‘BSA officials should now demonstrate true leadership and begin the process of considering a full national policy of inclusion.’

“The BSA's top leaders pledged to defend the right of any church-sponsored units to continue excluding gays as adult volunteers. But that assurance has not satisfied some conservative church leaders.”

Here’s some more information for the context on the Church’s reaction (also from the ksl article):

“The BSA's right to exclude gays was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2000. But since then, the policy has prompted numerous major corporations to suspend charitable donations to the Scouts and strained relations with some municipalities.

“More recently, the BSA faced a civil rights investigation in New York and lawsuits in other states over the ban.

“Kenneth Upton, a lawyer for the LGBT-rights group Lambda Legal, questioned whether the BSA's new policy to let church-sponsored units continue to exclude gay adults would be sustainable.

“‘There will be a period of time where they'll have some legal protection,’ Upton said. ‘But that doesn't mean the lawsuits won't keep coming. ... They will become increasingly marginalized from the direction society is going.’”

So it looks like another reason the Church is troubled is that it’s concerned about the domino effect this change may have on other policies which the Boy Scouts will require the Church to make in the future.

These are just some of my thoughts that I wanted to add to the discussion. I love both the LDS Church and the Boy Scouts and am interested in seeing how things unfold.